Les Chiens de Guerre

NEW STUFF! Gilles De Rais is gobsmacking! I usually prefer more dynamic models but this guy just oozes "evil bastard". The mourner looks to be rather cool as well, is that a baby she's holding? No wonder they're worried about an age limit! AAAARRRGGGHH!!! CAN'T WAIT!

Congrats on the babies by the way if you ever read this, now get back to feeding us those wonderful models!

Man I love this game.

Gilles is cool; but I must say I like the concept in the rulebook (it's a boon that I can read and speak french) better where he looks more like a possessed Templar.

I just reverso'd The Mourner and that sounds somewhat disturbing...  perfect for this game  :)  Any french folks want to enlighten us on her abilities and fluff?  I'm guessing she's mourning the child in her arms?

She's a non-fighter (- Cbt and - Sht), Mov 4, hit on 3+ and with 10 Life.

She's basically as flighty as a Grenadier. She both breaks off at a -2 Cbt and has the 1 or 2 dodge to get out of combat if engaged. She's also terror 2.  When she takes damage she can ricochet back 2 points unaffected by armour ever time she's hit.

She has 2 auras. The first is a 6" -1 Cbt to all non Lucefarians or models of 3 or more faith.

The second effects the ENTIRE battlefield. Any enemy model spending CMD for any order takes damage (not effected by armour) equal to the CMD points spent.

Enjoy!

Wow, she's going to take the starch out of some Officers and Indies.   

In another thread I discuss how useless guns are in this game; she's one of the reasons to keep one around. She's relatively easy to hit out of combat (she's flighty)...but she's the kind of target you have to take care of early on.

the mourner is superb, i'll be using her in most of my demon lists i think. any CMD points the enemy spends on auras gives them the equilivant in damage. this racks up during a game and will force the enemy to be concervative, especially if they are already wounded.

gilles is a beast and his orders can effectively give you dominance control for the entire game. 24pts of reserves thrown in only sweetens the deal.

Gilles is very scary. Good that he doesn't have prestige so he's "only" limited to purely merc troops (if I understand correctly). So the average Gilles-merc-list would at the moment include in addition Isaïa and his golem, a couple of nomads, damned rank and file (why on earth wasn't the 4th piétaille damnée concept made into a mini... loved the concept) and Alazais.

Does Gilles have demonic eyes on his left shoulderpad?

Hi, Gilles de Rais is inspired from a french historic character so you may learn more about is "real" history in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilles_de_Rais (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilles_de_Rais)

if you speak french you may learn more here http://arch01.forum.helldorado.fr/index.php?topic=1260.msg11999#msg11999 (http://arch01.forum.helldorado.fr/index.php?topic=1260.msg11999#msg11999)  or reverso this.

So many of us did...

Indeed. Gilles de Rais has spent two hundreds years in Hell, enough time to physically affect his armor. If you look carefully you'll notice the mutation into this "organic thing" is progressing on Gilles chest (Thomas painted the veins in pink)

Thats the kick for me.  I`d quite like to keep using the Traveller as I have some deep rooted love for the Doppelsoldners and Grenadiers.  Gilles is good, but would reduce the number of high explosive I can take.


It doesn`t ring a bell.  What was the 4th concept ?

the "lady" with the sword  ::)
http://helldorado.fr/ressources/secteur/article_id166/original_HtmlArea/att00872_2.jpg

I can`t say it stands out as a great.  That said, I prefer it to that dodgy bloke with the club.  Gonna have to give him a hammer or something.

How many pts is the Mourner? Please tell me she's around 20, I keep getting stuck for things to fill the gaps. Although with her mental auras she's probably quite pricey eh?

I don't really thing Gilles himself justifies 94pts, so I'm assuming he's 70 and the extra 24 are the reserves. Be a whole lot more handy when some decent merc troops arrive! I'll be getting him none-the-less, although don't thik my painting skills are up to doing him justice.

She is a 18 pts unit...and trust me for this cost she won't only fill your gap, she will also be a real pain in your adversary ###  ;D

yay a viable model for around 20pts  ;D

For your information the green of the Mourner is now visible on the official website  ;)

and very nice it is too. will this be released with the demon of flesh?

Yes the mourner and the demon of flesh are into the same extension box (the last one for the demons)

lovely jubbly  :D

A bit of an Azaël pose going there, not too fond of the way her hair is, but that's more of a personal opinion. The sculpt is awesome and will probably be a terrific one to paint. I gather it will be also popular on CMON if word gets around.

This isn't a moniature, it's a work of art (well they all are I suppose but you know what I mean).
She is beautiful. Incredibly evocative, it tells a whole story right there on the base. Something I don't think I've ever seen done before in a miniature. Pretty damn creepy as well as being quite sympathetic. Awsome, literally awe-inspiring! Although it's another blow to the "we don't like boobs on mini's" crowd, good!

How's the damned of flesh? If you only get one it better be bloody good or very cheap (pts)!

Honestly though, these Hell Dorado miniatures are seriously good. The sculptors should get the Nobel Prize for miniature sculpting.

So if the mourner is damned of the sins of flesh and infanticide (gathering from previous posts), I wonder what the grand damned of flesh will be like. I would suppose something disturbingly sexually provocative, but not like daemonettes (although somehow I suspect that it will include a tentacle).

I`m not quite sure about the Demon of Flesh.  It`s a bit stat light and it doesn`t have any specials.  I guess it`ll be very very hard for bog standards to kill it.  That Regen is a killer.  Is only 12pts though.

Please could you tell me more about the demon of flesh?  i.e. stats abilities etc : D.  Sounds like a possible alternative to Sloths.

Thanks for that.

Regards,

Dennis

Erm ..  I`m not entirely sure.  I don`t want to steal any thunder from Asmodee releasing stats online or anything.  I`ve only got the stats from doing some proof reading and I`m not definate about how much we can talk about.

It has ambush, Regen/8 (its total life points) and and some other stuff but its CBT is quite low

Excuse me! What? Regenerate 8!? Hell yeah! I don't think the mourner is one of the seven deadly sins, more of a play on the old "white lady" myth/ghost story. Well I hope not anyway, I was hoping for more troops based on 'em.

I don't think discussing Stats is a big deal. Those of us (like me) who are bilingual and have the rulebook have access to them all anyway.

I'd say unreleased stuff is probably best to keep on the DL if you're an insider... but if it's been published it's no big deal.

Ahh.  Are all the stats in the rulebook then ?

It looks like it. It's very much like the Warmachine rulebook in that it looks like all the first 'Wave' of releases is pretty much in there. I think for my Westerners it's just the Spadassins (Swordsmen) that haven't been released.

If you guys want to know what anything does just ask me. I can't get models, but I can read french! :)

Nearly all the figures in the book have been released its just the Spadassins for the Westerns ( Rapid attack grunts, with Domination boosting ability in the setup phase)
The Efreet and Houri for the Saracens. the Mourer and flesh blob for the demons and the Spitting Squamate and Shaman for the Lost.

There is a translation somewhere on the sight of all the figures in the book

Don't the lost have some python chick officer coming? Etrusilla or something like that. Her abilities sound awsome. Is the damned of flesh a big blobby thing then? I was hoping for a gimp/bdsm style beastie (what does that say about me!?) as I read "flesh" as "lust". However I suppose the succubus kinda covers that area.

Yeah, that was my though.

They seem to be doing the sins (wrath, gluttony, lust, greed, sloth, envy, pride) so I`d assumed it was a semi dodgy translation.

Wondering what they`ll do for lust personally.  They don`t seem to shy away from adult themes.  That said, the Succubus is pretty much a demon of lust already.  My mind is full of fear of what a Greater Succubus could be like.

Envy and greed would be interesting... : ) especially if they come in the same box.

Notably, translation of the demon of gluttony to greed seems suspect.

Oh wells wait and see.

I would so love that demon of greed to carry a texian felt hat.  ;D

Envy could perhaps be some wee weedy bloke who can steal auras or stats. Or maybe incite envy in others, leading oppossing models into acting foolishly. I would imagine greed'll be some kind of rich bloke indeed. Although did they have Texans back then!? Some mad chevalier or other nobel perhaps. I've been reading about Gilles, love how they're working historical characters into the game. Makes me feel smart :)

On that note, Foulques le Noir (or Black Freak as he's somehow been dubbed in English), is he in fact Fulk III of Anjou? "Fulk" seems to be the shortened version of "Foulques". He was a particulary nasty piece of work, leading to the nickname "Black Fulk" or "Fulk the Black". Burned his wife at the stake on their wedding day, in her wedding dress!

Painted Mourner's up on the website, not how I thought they'd paint her (although you can hardly criticise it!) planning on doing mine more ghostly. Also, she has a point of cmd! Fantastic! I see no reason not to use her all the time! Beware lancer, beware. Just noticed her aura doesn't affect vae soli or victis. Humph! That would be nonsense though, and we already have the infernal ambassador for dealing with that problem!

It will mean that God Guide My Hand, Special Munitions, etc. will all put a few points down as they tend to get used early in the game.

Thank god she isn't Invulnerable...

That would be a yes, no, and no. The Damned of Flesh (at least as far as the artwork in the rulebook shows it) is indeed a big bad of meat with limbs and mouths all over the place. The remaining deadly sins (greed, lust, and envy) should be part of a future extension, and the Succubus is not a Damned of Lust ;)

just for the record... is there any schedule that we know when the certain releases are going to be shown ?
I'm just curious because I cannot wait to see Suraav Geet ;D

on the other hand the news so far turn to be fine.
Gilles so far beats the hell out of the rest of the minis. he is that great sculpt, even though I feel the weapons don't fit him. either way he's decent !
Mourner or what she is called in english is a piece of fine sculpting but it reminds of some Conf mini from while ago...
Spadassins are mean. I like their hobo look :P

kudos to asm for the efreet! I began to drool when I saw the concepts and the master also looks like a blast to paint (just finished my djinn). Immolated minis tend to intimidate my confidence as a painter... can't wait to see the studio's version.

ya, Kudos to them !
excellent mini and astonishingly great paint job :o

and finally I can see Saurav-Geet. in two days everything will be clear for me. the most anticipated mini arrives this week ;D

Well Zim i'd imagine you'll be over the moon with Mr Geet! Fantastic! I think I'll be getting me some Lost!

indeed excellent mini that is !
Saurav is so far one of the most interesting profile-wise individual...
- in Lost definitely
- in whole quite game probably

Estrucilla should be also interesting mini. so far all Corvuses are really appealing, and I highly doubt it will be otherwise this time.

also I'm very keen on acquainting how many of new demons will the box consist and most important how it/they look like.

Well the concept art's up and the Demons of Flesh are mental! Also, are the demons? Not damned?

Looks like it. All the damned in Demonic service so far have been Sinners. This guy's just a big blob of meat

So, we've now seen the complete Westerners and Saracens boxes and by Thursday we'll see the complete Demons box. Still needing to see the other Lost and Mercenary figures.

When are these minis due out, anyway?

in theory  at the  end of this month  we should have all the models from the book . so that is  at least 3 boxes  or more for the mercenaries ... 

Yeah the guys we order from are saying end of August, and then that should be it for the (best of) first wave.

I thought there was one month more, albeit one comprising more or less entirely of mercs.

Yes there is one more wave after this one. We'll get all the remaining mercs and the last Lost releases then.

Okay, that miniature is both silly and disturbing at the same time, with more emphasis on the silly part.

I love it!

Ok having had a better look at the Flesh Blob, it is a bit silly. Although I'm sure it could be positioned so it looks more like it's dragging itself along, which wouldn't look quite so silly and would justify it's pathetic movement stat a bit better. Having had a look at the card though - it's a bit rubbish eh? Sure enough it's got Regenerate 8 which is awsome but with Def3 it's not going to be able to put up with much anyway. Ambush could be handy if it moved faster and/or was halfway decent in combat, but it's not. What with it's pretty good damage chart as well you'll be wanting it to be hanging about something that can boost it, not stuck out in the middle of the battlefield. It seems to be another "speedbump" that isn't as bumpy as a Damned of Sloth. Meh. Still, it is only 12pts and I can't count the number of times I've had 12pts left over. A few of them kicking about could be quite annoying for your opponant but since it comes with the mourner, which you'll rarely want to use more than one of, you'd have to be pretty committed to get more than one model.

On a side note if anyone still plays 40k or WFB it'd make an awsome Spawn of Chaos!

Etrucilla's a Corvus? That's a bit disappointing, i thought she was a "pythoness". That'd have been wicked!

The flesh blob is all about annoying people like the grenadiers, the alchemist or the slinger. With the ambush capacity, it has a charge range equal to 6" away from any difficult terrain, which results in pretty much anywhere on the board unless you really messed up the terraformation. So it can charge the 'back-court' units on the first turn and prevent them from doing what they are good at. Don't forget that ambush units are placed *after* the others so the blob can be placed where it is most annoying.

The opponent has to dispatch either several people or a good unit to get rid of them as you can only kill them by doing 8 damage in the same turn, which is not impossible but not that easy anyway. I think those points are well spent disrupting the opponent's strategy on the first turn, as there are not that many turns in the game. Oh and it can do a tiny bit of damage as a bonus.

I find it goes well with sniffles (the mourner) and all those annoying demons that mess up your game

At the time I found 'pythoness' to be decent translation for 'stryge' or 'strige'. Decent and appropriately obscure since the word is hardly known in French either. To be honest I can't remember where I found the word pythoness, and now that I look at the definition of 'stryge' again I can't say that I feel it was the best choice... A strige is some female vampire. The word designated the dead that raise from their graves during a certain night of the year, and originally it would come from the Greek half bird half women shrieking demons that would suck the blood of newborns. Etruscilla's look, her being a Corvus, and her Nocturnal attack and Screeching shrieks Auras all pick from these two origins of the word, which I find quite interesting.

The word strix (or stryx) would have been a far better translation. I can't recall why I didn't pick it then.

Etruscilla is just superb !
I'm hoping for more Corvuses in the upcoming add-on. they are my fav sub-faction among the Lost.

I heard that she is really hard in use, tho.
what are your thoughts on her ? any tips and/or units she gets along with the most ?

and who is Helle Moller ?
m/f ? to me it sounds more like a female...

A bounty hunter.  She uses a bog standard weapon to deal with rank and file, but when fighting the elites she has some special status inflicting weaponry.

sounds interesting.
thanks for the feedback :)

That Helle Moller chick looks really cool, although I think I prefer the first concept in the middle, swinging her club while running. Although she now gives me a great excuse to get Gilles even though I'll never use him! Swap her club for a sword and viola! Second fencer! She's the man! ( even if she is a hot, sexy, female man....)

Sounds like a good idea. I am looking forward to see your conversion for it...

Now, from a gaming point of view, I have some trouble with this idea.

- it could be confusing for your adversary to see Hell Moller played as a Fencer. Now, during friendly game, no problem. For an official tournament it could be an issue.

- Remember the Fencer has to be a man as mentioned on his recruitment card. You may argue it is just a gender detail but against a Succubus, this detail makes all the difference...

She could be lesbian........
I'd be using Demons in any tournament play anyway! They're far better painted and I've used them a lot more. Also, they kick so much more bum than those puny humans anyway, so far......

Right, Moller's cool as. Seeing her painted, she would look infinitely harder than the current fencer!

I`m wondering if the fact something is Male, Female, or Asexual is taken into account with the models costing.  I would assume that as time goes by we`ll have more things that are based on sex rather than just the succubuses specials so that it balances out.

A nice alternative art card of the generic models but of the opposite sex would be nice.  I`d rather keep the named characters the "right" sex though.

It would be cool to have male/female versions of each non-unique independant, except maybe an incubus instead of a succubus. Pure Chippendale style dude! In friendly games I doubt there'd be any problems using a model of different sex anyway, and in tournaments, well, it's understandable why you couldn't.

Not so cool for game balance, as there is currently no advantage in being a male. This might change in the future, though.