Could someone clear this up about the years, are all characters supposed to get updates as the meta-years passes?
Do troopers also get updates?
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Citation de: Hindisis le Novembre 07, 2008, 13:04:30 PM
Could someone clear this up about the years, are all characters supposed to get updates as the meta-years passes?
Do troopers also get updates?
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At the moment its still not fully been let known what is being updated.
So far, it seems to be that you use the most "recent" dated profile for a figure in tournament play. I know the Traveller has had a 1635 update and there was something about Vargas being updated too.
I doubt all characters and troops will get an update, rather its a way to rebalance figures used too much or not at all.
yeah its proberly going to be used to rebalance some of the figs which dont get a look in. vargas new profile would proberly see me take him as my standard officier for westerners where as his old profile is one of the worst in the game.
theres a good few minis deserving of this sort of attention and i think its great helldorado are listening to the players and putting right the wrongs to keep the game balanced as possible and minimise the inevitable power creep mini wargames suffer.
Ah, so the 1635-profiles so far really means 'errata'.
Good, good.
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Citation de: Hindisis le Novembre 07, 2008, 13:12:39 PM
Ah, so the 1635-profiles so far really means 'errata'.
Good, good.
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Yeah, pretty much. Although I guess the different profile for the Traveller (where she changed from an independant to an officer) was more than an errata. It was more a role change.
Citation de: Hindisis le Novembre 07, 2008, 13:12:39 PM
Ah, so the 1635-profiles so far really means 'errata'.
Good, good.
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Not really. These profils are more upgrade, and historicals evolutions for the basics profiles. Look at the 1635's profil of Vargas, as an exemple off the changes...
Interesting idea about the "evolution", but one would assume that the point costs for an experienced fighter would rise as well (and this has been said not to happen with the 1635 season)
This is has actually nothing to do with an errata, profiles that needed fixing have already had it a while ago. The change reflects the fact that some models will evolve along with the storyline. If you are familiar with Confrontation, this is much closer to a '2nd incarnation' type thing than an errata.
Don't be blind, folks! 1635 really means "errata", the aim is to remove unbalance between profiles. For instance, Grenadiers and Hashishins are currently overpowered and need to be tuned down to preserve the game.
Vargas has been updated to make it more interresting to play with him, the fact that there is fluff around the change is nothing but a bonus (a good one, though).
Whatever balance issues were considered to be balance issues have already been addressed long ago. As far as Vargas goes I really think the differences between the two profiles reflect more the evolution of a character than just an attempt to make the model "more interesting to play".
I think you are wrong.
Vargas has been updated because his former profile was totally lame.
The Corvi and Wormpile are going to change because they are not funny to play (since they are completely useless).
Grenadiers and Hashishins are going to be tuned down because they are not funny to play (since they are way too powerful).
These are balance issues that have not been solved so far, and need to be in order to make the game more interresting. This has absolutely nothing to do with character evolution. Ask Geof about that. Of course, you can insert those changes in a more ore less complex storyline, but this won't be the case for all the profiles. I. e., Grenadiers are very likely to loose their "Dodge" ability; this has nothing to do with fluff: it's genuine mechanics.
Let's agree to disagree then. None of us can prove the other one wrong, so the discussion is moot anyway ;)
The fact is that mzi has right when saying "1635 are erratas for more fun".
The fact is that these erratas will evolve in an historical way... Vargas could really die, I think, if no-one was come to defend him at the tournament where he evolved.
Don't forgot that Geof and Croc are RPGers before skirmishers, and that induce that evolutions will appear in a historical way I imagine.
But yes, theses evolutions are not to over-power the 1634's profiles... only to make them more fun to play ;)